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		<title>Comment on Four Questions by links for 2009-05-01 &#124; Brewed Fresh Daily</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/four-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-05-01 &#124; Brewed Fresh Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] n Four Questions &#124; Radical Transitions [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Government for the people, by the people by Douglas Craver</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/goverment-for-the-people-by-the-people/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Craver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the negativity that abounds Tony's story is one we can celebrate and be encouraged by. I look forward to future updates.

We have not choice in these times but to start with the obvious which easily get overlooked, especially as power corrupts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the negativity that abounds Tony&#8217;s story is one we can celebrate and be encouraged by. I look forward to future updates.</p>
<p>We have not choice in these times but to start with the obvious which easily get overlooked, especially as power corrupts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A free PDF of Instructions by Σούπα από Βότσαλα &#171; Ενεργοί Πολίτες Σάμου</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/a-free-pdf-of-instructions/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Σούπα από Βότσαλα &#171; Ενεργοί Πολίτες Σάμου</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Οι «Οδηγίες από ένα Μάγειρα» περιλαμβάνουν χρήσιμες, πρακτικές συμβουλές και παραδείγματα, που βοηθούν στο έναυσμα εποικοδομητικών διαλόγων και συνεργασίας, γεφυρώνοντας πολλές από τις διαφορές που χαρακτηρίζουν τις σύγχρονες κοινωνίες. Το βιβλίο διατίθεται δωρεάν σε ηλεκτρονική μορφή (PDF) σε αυτή την ιστοσελίδα. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Οι «Οδηγίες από ένα Μάγειρα» περιλαμβάνουν χρήσιμες, πρακτικές συμβουλές και παραδείγματα, που βοηθούν στο έναυσμα εποικοδομητικών διαλόγων και συνεργασίας, γεφυρώνοντας πολλές από τις διαφορές που χαρακτηρίζουν τις σύγχρονες κοινωνίες. Το βιβλίο διατίθεται δωρεάν σε ηλεκτρονική μορφή (PDF) σε αυτή την ιστοσελίδα. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Principles of Kwanzaa by links for 2008-12-29 &#124; Brewed Fresh Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-12-29 &#124; Brewed Fresh Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Principles of Kwanzaa &#124; Radical Transitions [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on We Are What We Do by Chris Corrigan &#187; From the feed</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/we-are-what-we-do-dot-org/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Corrigan &#187; From the feed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] George Nemeth on doing small things [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Practicing Radical Transitions by RuthAnn Purchase</title>
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		<dc:creator>RuthAnn Purchase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What questions am I asking that provoke transitions?

"If you can stand with me in the year 2020 and celebrate how well we are living with all living things, can you look back and tell me the baby steps it took to get here?"

~RuthAnn</description>
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<p>&#8220;If you can stand with me in the year 2020 and celebrate how well we are living with all living things, can you look back and tell me the baby steps it took to get here?&#8221;</p>
<p>~RuthAnn</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wasting time building consensus by Ted Ernst</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/wasting-time-building-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Ernst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I never really thought about building consensus or finding consensus in these terms.  In my housing co-op, when there's only one of us in the group that knows that the front door needs to be painted, she simply takes care of that, and the door is now red.  Nice.  And when one person sees that the courtyard needs to be swept and doesn't want to do it alone, he asks for help.  

On the other hand, when it's time to hire a contractor, any one of us could block the decision, according to our bylaws, yet the ones that didn't make any phone calls to set up appointments to get bids are the same ones that aren't living in the units with no kitchens, they don't feel that it would be right to exercise that option even though the bids seem too high.

And on the third hand, when it's time to adjust some of the definitions we use in our formulas to calculate monthly payments and ultimate determine a sales price for a share when someone leaves, and one person is uncomfortable approving for reasons unclear to us all, probably even him, if it's not an emergency, we simply don't waste time with it.  We let him sit with it.  If he read it, perhaps he could fix it.  And when it's really, really needed, he'll either figure out what's wrong and help us help him, or he'll simply approve along with the rest of us.

So I guess my sense of all of this is, voting is not needed (as if anyone was suggesting it was, ha!), and consensus is only needed when it's really needed.  Do the work you can.  Ask others for help.  When you need group resources, make an invitation that respects the whole group.  Consensus just happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I never really thought about building consensus or finding consensus in these terms.  In my housing co-op, when there&#8217;s only one of us in the group that knows that the front door needs to be painted, she simply takes care of that, and the door is now red.  Nice.  And when one person sees that the courtyard needs to be swept and doesn&#8217;t want to do it alone, he asks for help.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, when it&#8217;s time to hire a contractor, any one of us could block the decision, according to our bylaws, yet the ones that didn&#8217;t make any phone calls to set up appointments to get bids are the same ones that aren&#8217;t living in the units with no kitchens, they don&#8217;t feel that it would be right to exercise that option even though the bids seem too high.</p>
<p>And on the third hand, when it&#8217;s time to adjust some of the definitions we use in our formulas to calculate monthly payments and ultimate determine a sales price for a share when someone leaves, and one person is uncomfortable approving for reasons unclear to us all, probably even him, if it&#8217;s not an emergency, we simply don&#8217;t waste time with it.  We let him sit with it.  If he read it, perhaps he could fix it.  And when it&#8217;s really, really needed, he&#8217;ll either figure out what&#8217;s wrong and help us help him, or he&#8217;ll simply approve along with the rest of us.</p>
<p>So I guess my sense of all of this is, voting is not needed (as if anyone was suggesting it was, ha!), and consensus is only needed when it&#8217;s really needed.  Do the work you can.  Ask others for help.  When you need group resources, make an invitation that respects the whole group.  Consensus just happens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wasting time building consensus by Brian Kerr &#124; links for 2008-02-20</title>
		<link>http://radicaltransitions.net/wasting-time-building-consensus/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kerr &#124; links for 2008-02-20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Radical Transitions &#124; Wasting time building consensus (tags: consensus or collective action find versus build metaphors-and-other-failures) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wasting time building consensus by Terra Cotta &#187; Radical Transitions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terra Cotta &#187; Radical Transitions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 07:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That&#8217;s the name of George&#8217;s and Jack&#8217;s newish blog. Radical Transitions: An intentional model for community building. I went a bit nuts there today, agreeing with Wasting Time Building Consensus. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wasting time building consensus by michael herman</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael herman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was part of a similar group some years ago, gloria.  perhaps a dozen met once, around a vague-ish theme of exploration.  eight of us met a second time and they asked me to presnt some things i was working on.  then the question was what to do next.  

it was quickly and easily agreed to come to the next meeting and bring one thing you loved.  we went around and told our stories, one at a time.  then we naturally began noticing the common theme(s).  marvelling really.  

so the next month we "checked in" about what seemed important.  and then marvelled again at the variations we were living on common theme(s).  we went on like that for 2+ years.  nobody ever missed a single monthly meeting.  and then we had a last meeting, rather unannounced, unplanned, but obvious, as well.  and it was done.  

it was in that time that i learned to recognize what seemed like local, personal movements, shifts, challenges, etc as common, simultaneous, universal.  we several times considered taking up some "action" and also considered expanding the group, doing something with what we'd discovered, but always successfully avoided any of that.  to the good, i think.  

we all remember that group, which did nothing that any of us can point to, as one of the more remarkable groups any of us have ever been part of.  in some ways all we ever did was propose and notice consensus, and then go out and apply it in our individual work/lives.

which reminds me... it's not consensus from many, e pluribus unum, that is the hard part... it's achieving that state in a meeting that then results in everyone leaving still an individual, and knowing what to do when they get back out in the world by themselves.  action is individual.  even when it's "group action" it takes individual actions and commitments for the group to appear at the appointed time.

and that is how i think consensus wastes time.  it says to everyone:  "don't DO anything, until we all agree."  it hold individuality and action captive to the one, true, yet to be decided, ever elusive, way.  stops the breathing.  consensus:  how a group holds it's breath as ransom, while demanding a future that can't be achieved without (aerobic) activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was part of a similar group some years ago, gloria.  perhaps a dozen met once, around a vague-ish theme of exploration.  eight of us met a second time and they asked me to presnt some things i was working on.  then the question was what to do next.  </p>
<p>it was quickly and easily agreed to come to the next meeting and bring one thing you loved.  we went around and told our stories, one at a time.  then we naturally began noticing the common theme(s).  marvelling really.  </p>
<p>so the next month we &#8220;checked in&#8221; about what seemed important.  and then marvelled again at the variations we were living on common theme(s).  we went on like that for 2+ years.  nobody ever missed a single monthly meeting.  and then we had a last meeting, rather unannounced, unplanned, but obvious, as well.  and it was done.  </p>
<p>it was in that time that i learned to recognize what seemed like local, personal movements, shifts, challenges, etc as common, simultaneous, universal.  we several times considered taking up some &#8220;action&#8221; and also considered expanding the group, doing something with what we&#8217;d discovered, but always successfully avoided any of that.  to the good, i think.  </p>
<p>we all remember that group, which did nothing that any of us can point to, as one of the more remarkable groups any of us have ever been part of.  in some ways all we ever did was propose and notice consensus, and then go out and apply it in our individual work/lives.</p>
<p>which reminds me&#8230; it&#8217;s not consensus from many, e pluribus unum, that is the hard part&#8230; it&#8217;s achieving that state in a meeting that then results in everyone leaving still an individual, and knowing what to do when they get back out in the world by themselves.  action is individual.  even when it&#8217;s &#8220;group action&#8221; it takes individual actions and commitments for the group to appear at the appointed time.</p>
<p>and that is how i think consensus wastes time.  it says to everyone:  &#8220;don&#8217;t DO anything, until we all agree.&#8221;  it hold individuality and action captive to the one, true, yet to be decided, ever elusive, way.  stops the breathing.  consensus:  how a group holds it&#8217;s breath as ransom, while demanding a future that can&#8217;t be achieved without (aerobic) activity.</p>
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